dynamik wrote: »
Dice has always been like that. Don't let it get you down.
benchod wrote: »
I was at the dice fourm and everyone is telling one another to stay away from IT.
Is the IT field that bad ? No Jobs ?Hard to Find ? etc... Not worth it ?
I am just starting off and I been reading some scary stories.
Kujo wrote: »
The Dice forums are depressing, but there is a lot of truth on those boards. I share a lot of the frustration spewed over there. I'm currently employed, but I'm looking for a better opportunity. If I was choosing a career today, it wouldn't be IT. Off-shoring, and declining salaries had really hurt the industry.
Slashdot.org has a really enlightening post about people in IT switching careers. A good read.Slashdot Ask Slashdot Story | Moving Away From the IT Field?
Here's a similar very good post over at the Spiceworks community forums.Is Your IT Career Beginning to Feel Like a Never-Ending Rat Race? Anyone? - Spiceworks Community
JoJoCal19 wrote: »
While I completely agree with others that having a gameplan and furthuring education will open up opportunities in IT, I have to agree with Kujo on the IT industry as of right now.
As someone who has been building experience and furthering my education I am also seeing that yes salaries are shrinking and not only are salaries decreasing but requirements are going WAY up. Now keep in mind this is not true in every single location, but in most places Im looking, thats what Im seeing.
When doing IT job searches on all of the major sites I have been seeing fewer and fewer entry and mid level jobs. The ones that I have seen are either paying a paltry salary, $25K even for entry level IT is a joke, but the same job is also asking for 2 year degree plus 2-4 years of experience, and various certs. Im seeing that in all areas of Florida Im looking and in all areas of IT.
The jobs I do see available are higher level and require much more specialized experience and also atleast a 4 year degree plus all the certs. So yes in a sense having that plan and furthering experience and education will get you there, but for those of us not able to get the upper level jobs, the market is not good at all.
Im sure as with the overall economy things will get better over time. The thing that takes a while to overcome though is reduced salaries. I must say that at my salary and with what I do, Im STUCK. I got in back in 2006 when the gettin was good but with what I do in IT (network accounts provisioning) and my education SO FAR, Im absolutely stuck. IF I can find a job doing something more advanced or specialized (Networking, Server Admin, ETC) I am going to have to take a nice paycut, from what Ive been seeing to the low to mid $40s, sometimes even lower . Now I am still plugging away on certs so that will help, and in 2 years Ill have my bachelors, but for now I just cant really go anywhere else in IT without taking a pay cut.
Ive been searching all over FL and while occasionally I come across something that I could get and not take a paycut, competition is fierce and I dont have the education component that others do. Im afraid its gotten to the point where I am now looking to move outside of IT, and I hate to do that because I love IT but I need to be able to grow.
tpatt100 wrote: »
The Dice forums are horrible. I made the mistake to go in there once and its full of trolls flaming each other. I think you have disgruntled IT people using it to relieve stress.
Silentsoul wrote: »
How many of you have heard the saying "Find something you love to do and you'll never work a day in your life"
It is that, if you are just doing it for a job it is not for you. Late nights, long hours, weekends. You really have to enjoy this stuff to be good at it. Sure you can just do 'a job' but if you don't have a passion for it you will burn out.
Now that is not to say after a while doing it 8 + hours a day, you will still enjoy going home and tinkering, lately I pretty much get my fill of tech at work and when i get home i just want to 'zone out'
but its been a rough couple of months lately.
networker050184 wrote: »
Take what people say with a grain of salt. You are the only person who will know if IT is for you or not. If its not for you and you go into it anyway for a paycheck you will probably fit right in on those forums when you can't hold a job.
Kujo wrote: »
Thousands of skilled IT workers, including many on the dice forums, many on these boards too, lost their jobs due to lay-offs, which is not their fault. I was one of them. It's no secret the amount layoffs that have occured in IT industry the last 2 years. Yes, lay-offs have occurred in other industries, but IT has been hit really hard. Factor that in with many experienced IT workers looking for employment, combined with the younger inexperienced crowd looking for IT work, and it's one tough IT jungle out there.
I wouldn't go out of my way to purposely discourage anyone from entering IT if that's what they really want to do, but when I'm asked, I'd say no based on the reasons I've stated, and what JoJoCal19 has said.
networker050184 wrote: »
Do you have any evidence that the IT sector has been hit as hard or harder than any other sector or is it speculation?
jvaughn wrote: »
If I remember correctly, something like 80% of people are in the wrong career field. Also, the average person changes careers 7 times before retiring.
Can't understate enough that you do need to love what you do, regardless of what it is.
Me? I've only been in IT (Help desk) for about 2 years ,and it is much, much, much better than being a mecahnic, at least for me.
To answer the original question about IT being bad: no, it is not bad to get into right now. Actually, now is the perfect time!!! Companies are laying of masses of people and hiring contractors at much lower pay. But soon, IT will explode once again and all those contractors will be right in line for those positions. And I can't wait for that to happen!!!!
Kujo wrote: »
Tech layoffs: The scorecard | Business Tech - CNET NewsTechnology Unemployment Rises in Q3
Adobe Systems to layoff 680 jobs: Report
Adobe Systems is set to lay off 680 workers, or about 9 percent of its global work force after submitting a Form 8-K with the SEC, according to a TechCrunch report.Adobe Systems to layoff 680 jobs: Report - International Business Times -
Tech Layoffs: AOL, Sprint, Electronic Arts
Electronic Arts, the world's second-largest video game maker, is eliminating about 1,500 jobs,
Sprint is cutting between 2,000 and 2,500 jobs, about 6% of its 42,000 employees
AOL is laying off 100 of its 6,000 workersTech Layoffs: AOL, Sprint, Electronic Arts (Dealscape - M&A)
Those are just tech companies. There are many non tech companies have had layoffs in their IT departments, including entire IT departments off-shored.
Obviously, other industries maybe worse, but there's no denying IT has hit hard.