Ridiculous Job Postings?
TheCudder
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Does any one else find these type of job postings to be ridiculous? This basically says we need you to be able to do any and all IT job functions 
Job Title
IT Specialist – Managed Services
Labor Location
XXXXXXXXXXX
Class
Full Time
Position Description
Provide life-cycle support for IT systems. Systems include Microsoft server and client operating systems, thin client applications, Microsoft Office and Exchange Server, Active Directory, Domain Name Services, anti-virus and Host Based Security System, shared folders, and interfaces with specialized Web, database applications. Lifecycle support includes planning, installation, configuration, testing, operation, monitoring, upgrading, patching, troubleshooting and repair in support of customer network infrastructure.
Candidate will be responsible for supporting managed services activities including:
* Providing ongoing network maintenance, including updates and security patches.
* Managing the deployment, maintenance, support and upgrade of Windows servers, hardware, software, and operating systems.
* Supporting customers via email, telephone, and onsite.
* Installing and configuring Cisco routers, switches and firewalls.
* Monitoring, evaluating, and solving potential network performance issues.
* Managing Microsoft and Cisco infrastructure-related and other network requests and problems in the field.
* Assisting with the planning and design of wired and Wireless networks.
* Developing and maintaining documentation related to the installation, administration, and maintenance of customer network infrastructure.
Basic Qualifications
Candidate must be a U.S. Citizen. Candidate must possess or be able to obtain a security clearance. Candidate must be a resident of the XXXXXXXXX area or be willing to relocate. Candidate must possess a Bachelor's Degree in an IT related field, or equivalent certifications and experience.
Other Qualifications
Candidate should have excellent English verbal and writing skills as they relate to problem resolution reports.
Preference given to candidates with demonstrated skills and experience in the following:
* Ability to work efficiently with unfamiliar network environments of new clients. Review and understand network configurations and provide network engineering recommendations.
* A good understanding of wireless networks and wireless security practices related to LAN and WAN implementation of wireless architecture.
* Qualified candidates should have well rounded experience with network diagnosis, configuration and problem resolution.
* Knowledge of TCP/IP, DNS, DHCP, RDP, IIS, & Active Directory.
* Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) Windows 2000/2003/2008 highly desirable.
* Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) highly desirable.
* Citrix experience highly desired.
* SQL Server experience highly desired.
* Experience in deployment and Administration of Microsoft Exchange 2000, 2003 and 2007.
* Experience with disaster recovery planning and execution.
* A good understanding of virtualization and SAN technologies highly desirable.
Security Requirements
Candidate must possess or be able to obtain a security clearance
B.S. Information Technology Management | CompTIA A+ | CompTIA Security+ | Graduate Certificate in Information Assurance (In Progress)
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KPLC
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Looks like most typical Systems/Network Admins job descriptions. Besides the clearance.
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N2IT
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I agree w/ everyone. It looks like a position for a experienced admin. -
boredgamelad
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Seems reasonable. It's out of my current skill range, but I can easily see myself filling a role like that someday. -
zenhound
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It seems fairly reasonable to me. They just want someone who can do a little of everything. Those people definitely exist.
The ridiculousness will come in when it turns out they want to pay that person 28K a year. -
TLeTourneau
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It looks fairly normal to me. I've had positions like that before.Thanks, Tom
M.S. - Cybersecurity and Information Assurance
B.S: IT - Network Design & Management -
boredgamelad
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The ridiculousness will come in when it turns out they want to pay that person 28K a year.
Too true. I sometimes wonder about the people who get roped into those positions. I've seen so many BS (not the degree) postings in my area over the last few months, but somebody has to be taking these jobs right? I guess any job is better than none these days, for many. Makes me realize I'm lucky to be where I am and have what I have. -
cyberguypr
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I'm with the guys. Seems pretty normal. I am a Sys Admin and do most of that stuff on a daily basis. What do you find unreasonable? -
cxzar20
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I think it depends on the level of expertise they would expect out of that position. This is likely a jack of all trades position with a small to medium sized business. They likely don't expect, or need, a CCIE who is also an Oracle and Microsoft expert. -
ptilsen
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This is basically my job. Very typical senior/high-level MSP engineer job. Note that it says "Preference given to candidates...", not "You must meet all of the following requirements".
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techdudehere
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I'm not sure what to make of it really. It sounds like a fairly basic position where you need to know a little bit about everything in the environment. There's not enough information there to know. What is the size of the environments, what is the pay, are you expected to be available on weekends, how large is there IT staff, etc. I second the idea that it's for small to mid sized businesses, where you won't be expected to be an world recognized expert on everything but will be expected to know enough to deploy and keep systems functional.
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N2IT
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TLeTourneau wrote: »It looks fairly normal to me. I've had positions like that before.
T when I saw this position I thought of you immediately
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undomiel
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boredgamelad wrote: »Too true. I sometimes wonder about the people who get roped into those positions. I've seen so many BS (not the degree) postings in my area over the last few months, but somebody has to be taking these jobs right? I guess any job is better than none these days, for many. Makes me realize I'm lucky to be where I am and have what I have.
I was one of those people once upon a time. The pay was a little more than that but not by much. It was the necessary stepping stone that got me out of the technical support roles and into admin roles.
This posting definitely makes a lot of sense when you see that it is for an MSP. They're all about JOATs.Jumping on the IT blogging band wagon -- http://www.jefferyland.com/ -
N2IT
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This is basically my job. Very typical senior/high-level MSP engineer job. Note that it say "Preference given to candidates...", not "You must meet all of the following requirements".
Exactly.
A lot of requirements are job written down and never really needed. A job I took a while back was geeked on the applicant having Linux knowledge. I said I had imaged machines with Red Hat and SUSE, but by no means was an admin. They were content with that but you could tell it was a major pain point. 7 months into the engagement I didn't touch Linux LOL. Come to find out the project was killed by the business approval panel and I never dealt with it LOL
Sorry to get off tangent, but I can't help to think this happen sometimes. -
techdudehere
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MSPs are about JOATS but they need some JOATS who know more about things than others. For example, many have a VMware guy or two, a Exchange guy or two, basically a go to person for when a big client has an immediate and pressing need that can't go wrong. Mind you none of those people will be real experts but they will be the JOAT whose closer to being an expert!
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ptilsen
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Pretty much hit the nail on the head.techdudehere wrote: »MSPs are about JOATS but they need some JOATS who know more about things than others. For example, many have a VMware guy or two, a Exchange guy or two, basically a go to person for when a big client has an immediate and pressing need that can't go wrong. Mind you none of those people will be real experts but they will be the JOAT whose closer to being an expert!
Keep in mind, being a senior guy at an MSP means you are an IT consultant. You have to be knowledgeable enough in a lot of areas to provide expert advice, design affordable systems that will fulfill the organizational need, and then figure out how to implement it. You don't have to actually have MCIPT:EA,EMA,SQL, Citrix CCA, CCNA, VCP, etc all at once. You have to have high-level knowledge of "everything" and some deeper exposure to your organizations' core technologies (usually AD DS, Windows, RDS/TS, and Exchange). Certifications are often sought after more for partnership status than as a benchmark of skill.
Truthfully though, if you stay in the MSP arena long enough, you will become deeply skilled in everything listed in this posting. You probably won't a true expert in any one area, but you'll know a lot about a lot of different technologies. -
ptilsen
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Now if we want to look at ridiculous job postings, here's one where they just gave up on figuring out the job title:
STAFFLOGIX
Also, if you find me an MCM who will work for anything in the neighborhood of $34/hr, I will buy a hat just so I can eat it. -
N2IT
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Now if we want to look at ridiculous job postings, here's one where they just gave up on figuring out the job title:
STAFFLOGIX
Also, if you find me an MCM who will work for anything in the neighborhood of $34/hr, I will buy a hat just so I can eat it.
That is the stupidest $h!t3 I have ever seen. -
joshmadakor
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http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1875/srss.jpgNow if we want to look at ridiculous job postings, here's one where they just gave up on figuring out the job title:
STAFFLOGIX
Also, if you find me an MCM who will work for anything in the neighborhood of $34/hr, I will buy a hat just so I can eat it.WGU B.S. Information Technology (Completed January 2013) -
Chivalry1
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Now if we want to look at ridiculous job postings, here's one where they just gave up on figuring out the job title:
STAFFLOGIX
Also, if you find me an MCM who will work for anything in the neighborhood of $34/hr, I will buy a hat just so I can eat it.
Dear STAFFLOGIX KILL YO SELF!!! ##That is all!##"The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: be satisfied with your opinions and
content with your knowledge. " Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915) -
SteveLord
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The ridiculous part would be if the salary was crap.
I've seen many 2-5 years exp, bachelors degree, X certs preferred, know these 50 technologies..........pay is something like $12-$18/hr.
WGU B.S.IT - 9/1/2015 >>> ??? -
joshmadakor
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I don't really know if the people posting jobs some times know what they are saying/doing. Where I work, the department in need coordinates with HR personally to formulate a job description and starting base pay. I would assume other companies do that; it makes logical sense. However with staffing agencies there seems to be frequent miscommunications and/or knowledge gaps.WGU B.S. Information Technology (Completed January 2013)
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Tackle
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I would apply for the first posting, honestly.
The STAFFLOGIX one may have had HR Google "Highest Microsoft Certification" or "where could a person be after 10 years of Microsoft expierence". They are deff. going to have a short list of candidates if they turn down non-MCMs. -
dave330i
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That is the stupidest $h!t3 I have ever seen.
I've seen worse. Saw a post couple months back wanting a Jr. Cloud admin with VCDX. It was a pretty large consulting company listing. I guessing someone forgot to tell them there's ~100 VCDX in the world.2018 Certification Goals: Maybe VMware Sales Cert
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Jinuyr
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That's quite reasonable for an "IT Specialist". I've seen most markets go as low as $18-$20 for that and people gladly accept it.
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it_consultant
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That's quite reasonable for an "IT Specialist". I've seen most markets go as low as $18-$20 for that and people gladly accept it.
It really depends on what the level of involvement is with the systems they describe. If your only interaction with MS Exchange is making mailboxes or adding aliases, this is reasonable. I have been asked about salary a few times and I respond "You ask for expertise in xxx (usually Exchange, Cisco, or VMWARE) and the market rate for those skills is at least xxx, I can't settle for less than that". If they are serious about getting a qualified candidate they will respect your professionalism and understanding of the IT market. If they are not, walk away and get another job.
