CCNP 2010 updates

burbankmarc

Panzer919 wrote: »

I see your point now. I had forgotten about how much SDM was in the ISCW and how I often read through it thinking why teach people this program, when it fails they will be back to using CLI and more than likely be stuck searching for the answers.

You think the SDM is that bad? I haven't gone through the ISCW yet, but I do use the ASDM at work sometimes. Everything I've used it for has worked well enough. I use it to manage my access-lists since it's visually easier. Everything else is CLI. But I've not had a negative experience with the ASDM, just not my preference.

Cyanic

Panzer919 wrote: »

more than likely be stuck searching for the answers.

but that is still one of the greatest skills of any IT professional.

Panzer919

When I went through the NETAcad I thought SDM added in a bunch of extra programming that was not needed. I think it should all be CLI but that's also my preference.

Panzer919

Cyanic wrote: »

but that is still one of the greatest skills of any IT professional.

Very true but I think it's different when you learn it through CLI then you have to remember it down the road as opposed to learning it through SDM and then having to re-learn most of it when it breaks.

I used to work for an ISP and maybe I've just come in contact with too may people who don't know how to fix it when it breaks and it's made me a little cynical towards it.

DevilWAH

Having started on the cisco stuff last summer/autumn I hate the SDM!

First it puts so much stuff in you don't want and makes configs look untidy.
second it has major problems deealing with configs you have entered at the cli.

and lastly I found by the time you have lern't it and understood a topic, you hit the limits of SDM and have to go to the command line anyway.

the one big thing in its favour is the ability to preview commands. I learnt IOS firewall but running through the wizard in SDM, saving the text of the config, then going through by hand and picking it apart, seeing what it was doing, stripping out the unnessery bits, and typing it back in at the CLI.

I think it should be focused as a training tool as it is good for this.

aldous

minor thread hijack. i've heard ccna:s and iscw have alot of overlap do you guys think that ont from scratch(had a few flicks through the book but nothing in depth) and iscw from ccna:s is doable in 3months? i'll be doing bsci (after doing ccnp1 at uni plus other methods) and we are moving on to the academy ccna:s.

so by march/april time i'll have bsci/bcsmn and ccna:S. do you think it would be too much to do ont and iscw before the cut off (i have the ont and iscw books so would rather do the devil you know)

mikem2te

DevilWAH wrote: »

Having started on the cisco stuff last summer/autumn I hate the SDM!

First it puts so much stuff in you don't want and makes configs look untidy.
second it has major problems deealing with configs you have entered at the cli.

and lastly I found by the time you have lern't it and understood a topic, you hit the limits of SDM and have to go to the command line anyway.

the one big thing in its favour is the ability to preview commands. I learnt IOS firewall but running through the wizard in SDM, saving the text of the config, then going through by hand and picking it apart, seeing what it was doing, stripping out the unnessery bits, and typing it back in at the CLI.

I think it should be focused as a training tool as it is good for this.

I second that, it's a pig to get working and would never configure zone based firewalls correctly on my 2801. It kept on putting the LAN IP addresses on the IP anti spoofing ACL on the "in to out" zone pair, resulting in no outbound access.

The "Cisco Configuration Profressional" would do a much better job and atleast gave a working configuration, but still a bit messy.

mikej412

Now that the CCNP changes are Official, maybe it's time we move on and obsess about something new..... how about rumors that the Apple iPad or iTablet or iSlate will be announced January 27th?

The new exam alignment seems reasonable. I thought removing Troubleshooting (CIT Exam) from the "old old" CCNP was a bad move -- so I'm happy Troubleshooting is back. It's funny watching someone find a configuration on the Internet, try to apply it to their current situation -- and when it doesn't work, remove the changes and then try applying the same thing again thinking it will work this time

With the change in technologies, I don't have a problem with the WAN (and LAN) topics being covered as they come up within the context of Routing & Switching.

I still think they should add the QoS exam to the CCNP (and add MPLS topics to the CCNA).

chrisone

It seems like they did end up merging the ONT and ISCW into the routing and switching exams.

To me this seems like some ONT stuff.
Switching Exam:
Prepare infrastructure to support advanced services
Implement a Wireless Extension of a Layer 2 solution
Implement a VoIP support solution
Implement video support solution

this also seems like ISCW material as well.
Implement Layer 3 Path Control Solution
Create a Layer 3 path control implementation plan based upon the results of the redistribution analysis
Create a Layer 3 path control verification plan
Configure Layer 3 path control
Verify that a Layer 3 path control was implemented
Document results of a Layer 3 path control implementation and verification plan
Implement basic teleworker and branch services
Describe broadband technologies
Configure basic broadband connections
Describe basic VPN technologies
Configure GRE
Describe branch access technologies

What sucks is if you take the BSCI and BCMSN then the troubleshoot , you will have no ISCW or ONT material to cover or better yet ONT or ISCW knowledge. I honestly believe you shouldnt be able to combine an BSCI/BCMSN/TSHOOT. It should only be allowed to mix and match everything else but the TSHOOT can only be taken if you took the ROUTE/Switching exams since it covers ONT and ISCW material.

I am looking forward to purchasing the TSHOOT book even though i have a CCNP. I wont bother with taking the TSHOOT exam , but i would love the material in that book. Something tells me that book will be a legend!

Forsaken_GA

burbankmarc wrote: »

You think the SDM is that bad? I haven't gone through the ISCW yet, but I do use the ASDM at work sometimes. Everything I've used it for has worked well enough. I use it to manage my access-lists since it's visually easier. Everything else is CLI. But I've not had a negative experience with the ASDM, just not my preference.

I grew up on a commandline. I cut my teeth on CP/M and then MS-DOS. I not only know why DOS 5.0 included the setver.exe, but how to actually use it. When I outgrew DOS, I moved on to HP-UX, AIX, and FreeBSD.

Me and the CLI have a long relationship. So yes, I think SDM is that bad. It's a horrible java piece of crap that Cisco seems to feel needs to be pushed down our throats.

gorebrush

I've gone through the books properly now, and it's SDM this, SDM that.

Please.

Slickia

Anyone else notice how the new '642-902 Route' exam doesn't have anything on BGP, MPLS or Route-Redistribution?

https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/community/certifications/ccnp/route?tab=studylearn

'642-832 TShoot' on the other hand though, seems to have an interesting curriculum.

https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-6570

Forsaken_GA

Slickia wrote: »

Anyone else notice how the new '642-902 Route' exam doesn't have anything on BGP, MPLS or Route-Redistribution?

https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/community/certifications/ccnp/route?tab=studylearn

you need to look at the exam blueprint.

* Determine network resources needed for implementing eBGP on a network
* Create an eBGP implementation plan
* Create an eBGP verification plan
* Configure eBGP routing
* Verify eBGP solution was implemented properly using show and debug commands
* Document results of eBGP implementation and verification plan

* Create a redistribution implementation plan based upon the results of the redistribution analysis
* Create a redistribution verification plan
* Configure a redistribution solution
* Verify that a redistribution was implemented
* Document results of a redistribution implementation and verification plan
* Identify the differences between implementing an IPv4 and IPv6 redistribution solution

MPLS is missing, but I'm not really surprised at that, it deserves alot more coverage than the sad showing ISCW had

NightShade03

This was an interesting article posted yesterday:

Cisco Announces Changes to CCNP | NetworkWorld.com Community

Forsaken_GA

Good article from Odom. I was wondering whether the exam prices would increase, and Wendell answered that. Cisco will have it's pound of flesh

networker050184

Forsaken_GA wrote: »

Good article from Odom. I was wondering whether the exam prices would increase, and Wendell answered that. Cisco will have it's pound of flesh

Its actually the same price for the certification with the price increase.

4 x $150 = $600
3 x $200 = $600

Kaminsky

networker050184 wrote: »

Its actually the same price for the certification with the price increase.

4 x $150 = $600
3 x $200 = $600

Shhhhhh..... they may be watching and hadn't realised the trcik they could be missing !

trackit

BSCI + BCMSN + TSHOOT and you just saved yourself a hundred bucks At least thats the way im going, not because of money but because i have all the materials for BSCI and BCMSN. And TSHOOT seems interesting exam to take + im not sure i can pull off ICSW & ONT before August.

qplayed

I'm tryin to pull a miracle on my end I'm shooting for ONT BCMSN and then ISCW by June. I do plan on taking TSHOOT for kicks. Cisco Press has been kind enough to send me a copy to Eval

DevilWAH

qplayed wrote: »

I'm tryin to pull a miracle on my end I'm shooting for ONT BCMSN and then ISCW by June. I do plan on taking TSHOOT for kicks. Cisco Press has been kind enough to send me a copy to Eval

I become a dad in May so I intend to have the router + switch out the way by then, and if possible be well on the way to the TSHOOT.

Is that a bit ambious? I have quite a strong switched background so hopping that will be quick to get. Just want the training materials to become available so I can get a better idea of exactly what I need to cover.

Getting my dam 2509 to work would be nice as well!!

talk about ichy fingers!!

mikem2te

trackit wrote: »

BSCI + BCMSN + TSHOOT and you just saved yourself a hundred bucks At least thats the way im going, not because of money but because i have all the materials for BSCI and BCMSN.

I've just checked the Cisco press book release dates for new exams, the Cert Guide in Feb and the Self Study in July. Therefore I'm thinking it makes sense to continue with the old BSCI & BCMSN as long as possible rather than switch to the new exams, as you say study materials are available and all the bugs have been resolved.

So for me I think it will be BSCI follwed by BCMSN (or maybe Switch depending on how long it takes to get BSCI nailed) then finaly Troubleshhot.

416_guy

Cisco didn't mention anything about IOS 15.0, since this is the new CCNP is it safe to assume they are going to use the new commands (if any) for the new CCNP curriculum and exams?

jovan88

416_guy wrote: »

Cisco didn't mention anything about IOS 15.0, since this is the new CCNP is it safe to assume they are going to use the new commands (if any) for the new CCNP curriculum and exams?

Lets hope not!

yuriz43

Is the command syntax really that much different with IOS 15.0? I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.

DevilWAH

not at all.

main differeencce is the T train of the IOS is integrated in to the main stream train (Ie only one ios version for each feature set level. Makes it much simpler to chose the licence/ios you need.

Other than that they are almost identical. much like ios 12.3 is much the same as ios 12.4. yes minor differences and some new features, but as with all IOS the comamnds are very simmler between versions

Forsaken_GA

networker050184 wrote: »

Its actually the same price for the certification with the price increase.

4 x $150 = $600
3 x $200 = $600

Yeah, I know

What I meant was that I was wondering if they would be increasing the costs of the exams to cover the fact that it's 3 now instead of 4. If they'd left the price the same, the fact that you saved $150 would be another benefit of the new track. Instead, as I said, Cisco gets their pound of flesh

Also keep in mind that ROUTE is a component of multiple tracks, so there is an effective price increase because of this changeover.

ajay_bohra

Hi friends,

I m in a confusion since i got this official mail from Cisco regarding CCNP.

My CCNA is ending in Aug2010. I m preparing for BSCI (901) and BCMSN(812). if i pass these 2 then before 31 July. then i'll have to go for only troubleshoot.

Or i have to complete all 4 ISCW n ONT too before 31 July.

Which way is better. go for all 4 or just go for BSCI N BCMSN n then TSHOOT.

I apologise if this query is already answered. Please help me


Thanks in advance to all and Best Luck to all those r about to go for exams

gorebrush

If you pass BSCI and BCMSN **before** July 31st then you only need to do TSHOOT after July 31. If you do not pass **both** BCMSN and BSCI before July 31, then you will have to take :-

CCNP ROUTE
CCNP SWITCH
CCNP TSHOOT.

Clear?

chrisone

cisco and odom himself recommend anyone thinking of taking the TSHOOT to first pass ROUTE AND SWITCH, not BSCI and BCMSN. i wouldnt recommend anyone trying to slip by , by taking bcmsn/bsci/tshoot.

Forsaken_GA

gorebrush wrote: »

If you pass BSCI and BCMSN **before** July 31st then you only need to do TSHOOT after July 31. If you do not pass **both** BCMSN and BSCI before July 31, then you will have to take :-

CCNP ROUTE
CCNP SWITCH
CCNP TSHOOT.

Clear?

I don't think that's entirely correct. It looks like BSCI/ROUTE and BCMSN/SWITCH are an OR situation. So if you passed BSCI before 7/31 and nothing else, you could take SWITCH and TSHOOT and complete CCNP, and likewise with passing only BCMSN before the deadline, you should then just have to take ROUTE and TSHOOT