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70-685 Advice?
Hello all, I made this account awhile back to have access to some resources for the 70-680 test which I took and passed in March. I've been looking at the 685 on and off since then and in an effort to force myself to do something about it I'm now scheduled to take it November 22. I've been through the MS 70-685 book a few…
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Failed 1st attempt at 70-680 with a 620
Scored a 620 on my first attempt, was disappointed but was mainly disappointed with technical difficulties provided by Prometric that resulted in over an 1.5 hour wait time. I feel like this really skewed my test results, as I was frustrated, getting hungry, and wondering about my children by the time I finally got to take…
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A little help
I'm a noob. If the answer is obvious, don't make me feel dumb about it. I have two seperate servers running Server 2008 r2 on Virtual Box. I created a Forwarder in both domains in the DNS manager. I thought I'd done everything right, but whenever I try to create a two way transitive forest trust between the servers using a…
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LAB set-up question
Hi there guys and girls, I am wanting to set up a lab to learn how to set up 2 Domain Controllers and a client connection. I am just a bit lost when it comes to connecting the second DC to the first. I am using VMware workstation running 3 VMs 2 Server 2008 R2 and one Windows 7 Enterprise. The problem is when I try to find…
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Practice Exam for 70-410
Hello Everyone, I am currently preparing to take 70-410. I work full-time for a managed services/cloud provider. I set up a home lab running Server 2012 on Windows 8 with Hyper-V, and I am managing it primarily with PowerShell, which I have played with a fair amount at work to address various situations. In addition, I…
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Do CompTIA certs still benefit someone working toward MCSA/MCSE?
There is a possibility of this being a very stupid question, but I'd like to get some confirmation nonetheless... So.... I have finally decided to make my first vendor specific certification MCSA (server 2012). I know that in the past, some CompTIA certifications could fulfill an elective for the MCSA/MCSE. I also know…
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Join a host machine to a guest OS domain controller
I have win server 2012 on oracle virtual box hosted on a win8 physical machine, i have created a domain on the VM and promoted it to become a domain controller, i want to join the win8 physical host machine into the domain i have just created so i can manage it and experiment some configurations on it, when i try to join…
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Passed 70-687
I studied for 2 weeks. I only read half of the Exam Ref book and did not do anything else. I went off of common help desk knowledge for the most part. Most of the questions were pretty obvious. All in all this exam is probably the easiest one I have taken.
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70-680 + 828 = mcts!
I passed my 70-680 and acquired my first Microsoft certification! Spent a good month and a half studying and labbing for it. Thank God for Second Chance, failed the first time with a 680. I can't recommend Don Poulton's book and the Professor Messer videos enough. Time to knock out 70-685 and get my MCSA!
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difficulty for novice?
Hello all, I know you probably see this a lot but here's my question/backround. I went to a tech school and learned basic computer networking and information systems I have net+ and MTA: network fundamentals certs. I have been working on a help desk for about 2 years doing basic PC troubleshooting(never worked with…
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Question concerning Hyper-V
Hi, in the exam ref book for 70-410 it mentions about a Type I VMM, i was wondering how do you check within windows server 2012 that you can confirm 100% on the OS. It does mention in the book, once you install the role it will turn to a Type I and not a hybrid Thanks all
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Passed 70-410 Today!!!
I scored a 775. Really hoping to bust 800 for personal pride's sake but any pass is a pass and no one else cares about my score but me. Not to give too give too much away but I did send them a comment about a question that referred to "Windows 2012 Enterprise edition". I don't think such a thing exists. Besides a reference…
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passing 640
is it possible to pass 640 642 and 646 with out a virtual machine
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Virtual Labs
I'm back! I took a hiatus after failing my 70-642 with a 668 a few months back. I'm getting back into the groove of things and plan on taking the exam again here in the next few weeks (trying to take advantage of the free second shot promo MS is doing). My question is - is Microsoft discontinuing their free lab environment…
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Is 70-680 retiring?
I was originally going for the MCITP certification, but I found out that I wouldn't be able to finish in time because it's going to retire soon. Can I still go for the MCTS: Windows 7, Configuration? I was going through the retired exams and it's not on the "exams scheduled to retire" list. I know this sounds like a stupid…
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MCSA: Windows Server 2008
When will the MCSA Cert be retired? I have the books laying in my office that I started doing today. I see the MCITP is being retired after january 31st. Is MCSA 2008 going to be around for the next year at least? [h=2][/h]
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Passed 70-411, first try!
Guys, This morning I passed the 70-411 exam. My expectations were that I was going to fail but I signed up for second shot which is why I wasn't worried about failing. Failing would of provided me a base line on what to focus on in order to pass. As I was going through the test I felt I had guessed on 1 too many questions…
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just passed 70-417
(sorry if this is a double post it didn't seem to go thru first time round) I passed with 750. My exam order was 412, 411 and then 410. Felt al-right after the first exam and then i just went downhill from there and my scores reflected that (800, 760, 750). Got some really obscure AD FS questions. Even got a question that…
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Advice for 74-409 and 70-410
Currently I am working in a network support role. After recently finishing the Network + and CCNA exams I am starting with 2012 server MCSA in an attempt to both fill gaps in my knowledge and to broaden my future job prospects. I have already picked up the Sybex MCSA Windows Server 2012 Complete Study Guide. I am also…
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Passed 70-685 Saturday - Yay ME
:D I just bearly passed the 70-685 exam on Saturday. I was able to Master the 70-680, but did worse than I had hoped to do on 685 Now I do know my weak points and would love to get better at this. After the exam and the questions I know I struggled on, I feel understanding the following will only make me a better tech…
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Virtualization software to use for labs
Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations for software to use for 70-680 labs, I have W8 core(which doesnt include Hyper-v), I can upgrade to Pro for $80 to get this, I know I can get VMWare Player for free which will do a similar/same job, some job postings I see say must have experience with Hyper -V(I have no…
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Getting started with my life in SQL!
Hi guys I am a 26 year old, 2 years experience Data Analyst who is trying to get his head into SQL...although I have been wanting to study for my 70-461 certification since I got my Excel Expert Certificate last year in Oct... but due to procrastination I am still hanging around the start of the 70-461 book Have recently…
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Advice on becoming a web developer?
Hi, basically long story short. I have been interested in web and app development for many years (well tbh more web than app in terms of time I have been interested) but did nothing about it, I have knowledge of HTML and a little bit of CSS, Im currently working towards an MTA in web development.. I also have plans to get…
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Book Recommendations
Any books that you guys recommend for studying for the Server 2008 certs? I've read Don Poulton and Darrel Gibson books in the past, and really enjoy those, but didn't see either on Amazon for the Server 2008 training.
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Passed 70-411 Today
I studied CBT and Microsoft Press Training Guide Administering Windows Server 2012 I noticed some commands in the test that were not anywhere I studied from, so if I were you and you are studing from that same book whenever it says more info and sends you to a technet i would go and study that too.
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70-410 Practice tests?
Hi All, Just wondering for those who have passed this exam which software did you use and if you used multiple which was closest to the real exam. Regards, Sharpy56
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70-640 & 70-642 MCTS titles? Retiring.....
Are the MCTS titles for exams 70-640 & 70-642 still retiring Jan 31st 2014? or have the titles been extended...
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70-410 Practice Exams
Hi All, Just wondering for anyone that has already passed this exam which is the best practice exam you have come across? I usually go with Boson but it doesn't appear to be available as of yet
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A couple of questions 70-680 & 685
Good Morning! I am relatively new to the forums here and I would like to start off by saying thank you to all who have posted fantastic training programs. I am slated to take my 70-680 exam on November 8. I'm really quite nervous. I've read Poulton's book as well as the Microsoft 70-680 book (with errata in hand), I've…
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MCSA job opportunites?
Not sure if this is the right section but i was curious on what types of jobs would a MCSA be used for. Right now I only have a measly A+ and I am currently studying for a Net+ but im not sure i really want to get too deep into networking. I've been interested in the MS certs for a while and i am much more familiar with…
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Certified 70-680 in 2011 Refresh?
Hello everyone, I happened across this forum while looking for some information regarding progression from 70-680. I passed my 680 in 2011, and as they only last 3 years I want to know what options I have regarding refreshing/advancing? I basically want to take another exam which will also refresh my 680 at the same time,…
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Lab setup for 70-680
Sorry for starting a new thread as I know there are lots of other threads which I've read through, I just wanted to get opinions on the setup for a lab as I've never setup a lab. Reading other threads it seems you need 1 server for DC, a server for deployment, and one or two clients. Am I correct in thinking the DC will…
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Is getting mcitp worthy than getting vwware certified cloud professional???
i have a bachelors degree in ELECTRONICS AND COMMUNICATION ENGINEERING and i have obtained CCNA cert last week. now im in a dilemma whether to go for MCITP and get into server or do compTIA SECURITY+ ,VCA-CLOUD AND VCP-CLOUD FROM VMWARE AND GET INTO CLOUD COMPUTING??? WHICH WOULD BE BEST FOR THE FUTURE??
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Studying Dilema - Need Input
Hey Guys; I am currently in a Dilemma; My employer has informed staff that they are offering Vouchers for employees to sit the MCSA 2012 exams (70-410,70-411,70-412) for free, however these vouchers expire in Jan of 2014. My Dilemma is that my Background and current study path leads more down the Networking side of IT…
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MCSA Desktop or server?
Hi Guys, I have an A+ and N+ and have about 2 years experience in a helpdesk role and 2 years in a desktop role, with very little server/ networking experience. I would like to get more day to day server work,and have decided to take a bit of time off to study for some MS certs, I had intended to do the 2 Win 7 certs to…
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Starting the 70-410
Hey everyone! I just am about to start studying for the 70-410 and had some questions. I currently manage a few 2012 servers and have been managing windows servers for over 10 years. Would the documents in technet be enough or do you recommend another book or website like train signal? The last ms test I passed was for…
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Microsoft Certification
Hi People! I've just graduated with a diploma in IT.....i am trying to do some Microsoft certification to become a IT professional Enterprise support Tech but i really don't no which one to do first. Can someone help me out ????? Thanks, Night Rider
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Passed 70-411 :)
Hello All, I just passed 70-411 exam.. it was not so hard and not so easy... Good luck to you all.. Shezy.
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Step by step book for server 2012?
I'm just starting to go over server 2012 and will be getting ready for test 410, installing and configuring server 2012. Does any one know of a book or set of books that take you through step by step on setting up the server as if you were creating the domain, installing the users and permissions, etc for a company? The…
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MCSD SharePoint Training Centers within the MD/VA/DC area.
Looking for training centers, within those areas. Not really interested in a online base training, but one where they are location within the state I'm taking it (based there). Some of them will travel to your location for a fee.
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Going for MCSA 2012
Hey all, Been a very long time since I've sat for a certification but I believe the time has come. My last cert was MCSA 2003 which I passed in 2010. I've been in the field for about 7 years now, and working with Windows from day 1. I'm going to push to pass 70-410 in about two weeks.
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For those that have sat 70-417
For those that have sat the 70-417 exam, a few questions: 1. I have heard that the test is broken down into three mini sections for each exam. Do you have a time limit for each section or do you just finish when you finish? 2. Is it true that when you finish one section there is no going back?
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Taking 2 exams a week tomorrow (5th Nov) :-/
Hey, thought I'd put some pressure on myself and post it on here. taking 2 MS exams a week tomorrow. 1st one is just the MTA Operating System Fundamentals, should be a walk in the park. 2nd is my first PROPER MS exam, 70-687 - Configuring MS Windows 8. Should be a fun couple of hours Any last minute tips?
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Just passed 410 today
Just just squeaked by with a pass on 410 a few hours ago and would like to thank all the people and resources I got from here that really helped a lot.I used Sybex book (which to be honest didn't really help that much. It is good for general knowledge, but the the test had more details than the info that was in the book),…
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Time estimation to pass 70-410 for someone with little Windows Server experience
I m a user of Windows Server with little to very little knowledge about the administration side (use it at work to install/use some software ) . I want to make an idea about the time needed to pass the first exam 70-410 considering very little experience in Windows Server . I m able to invest about 5h a day every…
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411 booked !!
Hey All, Wish me good luck... I booked my 411 for next Saturday i.e. Nov 2nd...
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Got a job interview with a technical MTA test
I have landed a 1st line / analyst job interview for next week and they said I'd be doing a basic technical test on Microsoft / MTA level. Does anyone know what this covers? I'd like to get some preparation done. Thanks
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70-411
Hi Guys, Im intending on doing the 70-411 before the R2 exams kick in from Jan. Can anyone recommend the best book to use for this exam?
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Database Fundamentals & 70-462
Hello guys, I'm new to SQL but I'm interested in starting off, I started to study 98-364 Database Fundamentals & will then move on to 70-462 afterwards. I am currently taking notes from an online video study guide & will then do lots of practice tests, my aim is to take the exam in 2 months time. Can anyone confirm if this…
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Sitting the 70-461 Tomorrow
Hi, I am sitting the 70-461 tomorrow. I have some MS SQL Server experience from way back and have several years of experience with MySQL, as well as some experience with SQLite, Postgres, Access. I read the MS Press training kit and watched the videos on Microsoft Virtual Academy, as well as numerous free videos on…
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Anyone have experience with CBT Nuggets?
I have subscribed to TrainSignal for a couple of months. The videos were not something that I would rely on solely for the exams but I think I did get a good overview and basic understanding to base my further study on. They also had assessment tests to help base a basic level or preparation. PluralSight has taken over…
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Most Basic SQL exam?
I need to learn the fundamentals of SQL because it is going to be part of a project that I will be working on here in the near future. Most of the sites still use SQL 2008. Would it be worth learning 2012 or is there too much difference? Where should I start? And, when I'm ready, what is the most basic SQL exam that…
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Just passed 70-410 as well
Scored 790 which I'll take any day seeing I haven't sat an exam in a while. Used the MSPress book, which at 360 pages didn't really go into a whole lot of detail on anything and was riddled with errors. TBH, it's mostly the same stuff from Server 2003. Onto 70-411, any suggestions on material to use? I couldn't find the…
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70-411 How many questions?
I'm getting ready for this exam; has anyone taken it? How many questions does it have?
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642 down
Passed the 642 on the 2nd attempt, I underestimated it the first time around.
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Is anyone studying 70-411 but won't be taking exam until after January?
I'm currently studying 70-411 but worried I may be wasting my time with the new R2 can't coming out, as I won't be taking it until after Jan due to workload. Just wondered if anyone else is new same situation?
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Failed 70-411
Just took the 70-411 exam today and failed with 406/1000. Used MeasureUp Practice Questions and the 70-411 Training Guide by Orin Thomas. The practice tests was the definition of not useful and did not help with the exam at all. The book gave a good overview of topics but did not give enough information needed to pass for…
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Passed 70-682 2nd try
Passed with 812 :) Don't understand why Microsoft gives you cert for 680 & 685 for passing it but won't give you mcsa for Windows 7. Other than the $300 they make by forcing you to take them separately... Oh well at least I passed. Update until 2014 70-682 pass(As long as you have MCDST Of couse) you Do earn MCSA for…
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Studying for70-410 with limited resources
Hello All I have decided to start studying for the 70-400 series starting with 70-410. However I do not have direct access to windows server 2012. I know I can download 2012 evaluation version but from previous experiences my laptop cannot handle running windows server through Oracle VM. I am considering obtaining MS press…
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MCSE 2008 server or 2012 server?
Hi Should I go for MCSE 2008 server or 2012 server? I am a newbie to Microsoft field. If I really do the old Server 2008 will it be bad for career and getting a job? BR
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Passed 70-686 :)
Today I've passed 70-686 on the second shot :) I'm happy but have one problem: in my prometric account it says: pending. What does this mean? What can I do? Anyone had this problem before?
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Cannot login after creating an AD DS.
Hi all, I am running win server 2012 in virtual box, i have just installed AD DS, after configuring DNS settings the machine restarted for the system to take effect, now when i try to log in with my normal admin password the system does not authorize it any more. has anyone came across the same issue or does anyone maybe…
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70-646 Failed
So I took the 70-646 exam yesterday and failed with a 448. After 3 weeks fulltime intense study using a plethora of resources I was gutted with the result. I am enrolled in a IT college and I have done the course material for 70-640, 70-642, 70-643, 70-680 and 70-646 in that order, since I did 70-646 last I decided to…
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Passed 70-680!
Took the test today and am proud to say I passed it. The questions themselves upon closer inspection and thorough thinking through proved to be quite simple in all honesty. I was reading these forums looking at the people that had failed this test before me and was quite afraid that this was indeed some kind of huge beast…
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70-481 and 70-482 - viability ?
Can anyone here please comment on the practicality of 70-481 and 70-482 seeing how there is a lot of negativity surrounding windows 8 ? I'm not sure if it would be a good investment of my time to prepare for these exams.
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Passed 70-680!
Just got done taking the test and happy to say I passed it on my first attempt. Heard it was a hard test so bought the second shot voucher just in case I needed it. Studied for three weeks using Don Poulton's book and Professor Messer videos as my resources.
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Passed 70-685
Hello Guys, Finally got around to sitting the exam and got a 825... Thank god lol but all the information helped me greatly, thanks TE. Now that I have MCSA Win 7 what should I go for next?
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Certs
Good morning. Does anyone know how long Server 2008 certs are good till or when the exams will no longer be offered? I'm tryin to determine if it's worth getting Server 2008 certs and upgrading to Server 2012 or just going straight to Server 2012.
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ROI for 70-686
I spent a few weeks last year getting trained up for the 70-680 and 70-685 exams. Due to the usual busyness that life can oftentimes bring, I haven't yet sat for them. My intention is to do so before the end of the year. That way, I can check off one more thing from my Honey-Do list. While looking for resources, I stumbled…
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Exam 70-681 to be MCSA 2003
I wonder if it is valid as exam 70-681: Windows 7 and Office 2010, Deploying operating system client to obtain the title of MCSA 2003? I have certifications 70-271, 70-272, 70-290 and 70-291. There are only a client exam now. According to the website Microsoft Learning: Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA) #…
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70-11 Resources
Hello Everyone, I didn’t see any sticky topic regarding 70-411 – Administering Windows Server 2012 so I figured I would create a thread to collect all the information needed to pass this test. Please feel free to post anything of interest and I will add it to the list below. Deploy, Manage, and Maintain Servers (15%-20%)…
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Which direction to go?
Hello everyone, it's been a while since I been on the forums. Got a lot of help here with my Comptia Network + cerifications. Ever since then my new job has had me so busy I find myself with too little time to check into places like this. Well, now I have a new issue. I'm working at an I.T. services firm where we are…
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2008 or 2012 MCSA?
Hello all I've been out of the game for a while. I have a 70-290 cert then decided to take a job that stalled my experience. I want to.continue to get a MCSA but confused to either go 08 or 12. Opinions and suggestions please! Thanks
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MCSA/MCSE - Windows Server 2012 - Home Lab suggestions
So I will be more than likely passing my MTA soon, in the near future and have got my eyes set on doing MCSA then progressing to MCSE My question is, what home lab would you recommend? Like the devices and layout, I will however be using Azure or VMWare before I go out spending. Money isn't my primary concern, provided the…
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SQL Server 2014 CTP 2 Now Available
SQL Server 2014 CTP 2 Now Available - SQL Server Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs I didn't know if anyone else had seen this yet.
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Cheap server
Hello, I was thinking about buying a server so I can get a more hands on feel of running servers. What would you guys recommend? Thanks Daniel West
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Which edition of SQL server 2012 should I buy for studying 70-46x exams
Hi all I am thinking to study the BI certificate, starting from doing the 70-461. Which edition of SQL server 2012 should I get? Thanks. Regards Phyllis
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MCSA : Windows 8 exam preperations
So hay all i'm back and starting studying for another exam, it's now onto MCSA : windows 8 but i'm still new to alot of these exam things being self taught and what not so i could really do with some help here. when doing my N+ it was easy to google study guides and practice exams but with the windows 8 exam it's not so…
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Passed 70-685!
Just finished the 70-685 today with a 750. I finished the 70-680 a few months ago so I've finally gotten my MCSA/MCITP that I've been working at for quite a while! I used the MS Press Training Kit, Measure-up practice tests, Poulton's 70-680 book, Technet, and lots of labbing. Although I actually think that the MS Press…
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Downloading Certificate
I have recently achieved my MCSA and downloaded my certificate. The strange thing is that I currently have: 70-270 70-290 70-291 70-293 CompTIA A+ CompTIA Network+ When I go to download my certificate it allows me to download the MCSA one and the one MCP certificate. To be honest I didn't know what to expect with these…
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Client examination for MCSA 2003
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Am I being (un)realistic?
Hi All, new here so please go gentle... I passed 70-680 back in May on the second attempt and my former employer has already paid for the 70-685 exam. I'm using Windows 7 daily and have a reasonable home setup with Server 2012 running VMs on Hyper V. I'd ideally like to wrap up 70-685 before Christmas so I can start the…
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A couple of free books on SQL Server
Yesterday I was attending this event "Administering SQL Server 2012 Jump Start, presented by Richard Currey and George SQuiLlace" for the Microsoft Virtual Academy and they cited a couple of free books that maybe can be useful for you guys: Mastering SQL Server Profiler and SQL Server Concurrency: Locking, Blocking and Row…
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70-642 - This Friday!! Any Advice?
Taking 70-642 this Friday, any last minute advice? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks :)
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70-417 book recommendations
I have the MS Press 70-417 book which is a bit thin compared to other similar books, although a few seemed to have passed using that source of material. Any recomendations on the following Sybex book: MCSA Windows Server 2012 Complete Study Guide: Exams 70-410, 70-411, 70-412, and 70-417…
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I realize there are no VBA specific certifications but are there any that are close?
Close in nature, that would add value to understanding the programming syntax while assisting in real world usage? I was going to go with the SQL certification, but I picked up on VBA a lot faster and quite frankly in my company we have 7 or so experts in SQL while we have maybe 1 - 2 employees who know VBA enough to…
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General Revision Tips
Hi All, I wondered if people would like to share how they studied for the 70-410/411/412 exams and if they had any tips on what they found most effective? Im struggling to find a technique that suits me currently, ive read and made notes on Craig Zackers book but do not feel like its actually sinking in. I have the book,…
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Passed 70-412
Passed the 70-412 today and earned my MCSA. This was one of the more challenging tests to prepare for. -CBT Nuggets used that heavily. -Bought the Sybex book, but it was a waste of money. Severely lacking in detail or missing objectives all together. Don't bother with it. -Bought 60 day SelftestSoftware practice test. Very…
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Microsoft certification Craig Zacker's books
Hi I'm currently preparing for my Microsoft exam. Craig Zacker's book is fantastic. That is the one that is actually recommended by Microsoft as a preparation material. Here is a link to it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Installing-Configuring-Microsoft-Official-Academic/dp/1118511077/ On the end of each chapter there are…
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Study material for 70-410
Hi everyone. I'm looking for some good study material for the 70-410 exam. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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MCSA Testing Environment Question
Just wondering if there will be simulations like Cisco had..
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Train signal 70-640
Has anyone used Train Signal (Ed Liberman version) to study for 70-640? If so how would you rate them?
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AD forest recovery
I currently have two Server 2003 DCs in the same domain, which are going to be retired and replaced with two new Server 2008R2 DCs. I will start by adding one additional Server 2008R2 DC, and then add the other one a couple of weeks later. The organization where I'm going to perform this upgrade, has a few applications…
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looking for a Partner to study with for 70-640 (642 and 646 eventually as well)
Hi, name is Eli. I live in Perth, WA (Australia) Am on the progress of self studying for 70-640. got a set of virtual machines (2008R2, optional server2012 and a win 7 client). I am with a lot of hands on support experience and really think that taking that path with a m8 will be much more efficient. Also got access to a…
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Number of questions on 70-413 exam
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A webdeveloper wants to work as server administrator - Microsoft server 2012 (70-410)
Hi, I´am a web-programmer and want now to work with microsoft server 2012 administration. Can I take microsoft certifikat 70-410 and seek work as a server administrator and letter on take more courses? Can I use 70-410 for anything. Or is it just basisc and can not be used alone ?
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MCSE self-study possible?
Hi I am fresher in networking field. I have only a CCENT certificate. If i want to pass all or some papers of MCSE do I need to enrol in some institute? Or is it possible to do self-study? I am from Calcutta,India and I am presently jobless and staying at home. If possible then what are the resources I require to prepare…
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how to enable Bitlocker over a forest and domain?
i got stuck on this part any one know how to enable Bitlocker over a forest and domain. it really bugs me out!
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70-681
Anybody think this exam is worth it? It was listed as a suggestion on the original contract with my employer, but not sure it is worth my time. I already have the 680, 685, and 686...
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Passed 70-682 with an 833
Passed my 70-682, second attempt, with an 833. Many, many thanks to everyone who posted resources for the 70-680 and 70-685 on this site, they were great resources for studying! They tested very heavily on AppLocker, DirectAccess, BitLocker, IPv6, and BranchCache. Onward to the 70-686!